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• Every cell phone should have Java!
  2008-06-13 01:30:11 gmpassos [Reply | View]
  
  iPhone is a cell phone, and every cell phone should have Java, at least Java2ME.
  
  Also we can't forget that iPhone is the most used mobile device to access Internet (Google says that 50% of mobile searches are from iPhone).
  
  So, we have a mobile device with CPU power, good human input (for a mobile device) and people that like to use it to access the Internet. But we can't use all the J2ME applications that are available for the other cell phones and Palms!
  
  My old Motorola cell phone have J2ME, and if iPhone can't have it will be a shame.
  
  As I remember, Java was created for mobile devices, so this question about Java on iPhone was answered years before iPhone: iPhone is the best mobile device today, so Java should be there.
  
  Don't waste your time asking, do the job and give me my Java on my iPhone!!!
  
  Well, if Apple don't want Java this will be a shame for iPhone, and not Java, since all the other smart phones will have Java, specially the smart phone that are "cloning" the iPhone.

• Every cell phone should have Java!
  2008-06-13 01:28:37 gmpassos [Reply | View]
  
  iPhone is a cell phone, and every cell phone should have Java, at least Java2ME.
  
  Also we can't forget that iPhone is the most used mobile device to access Internet (Google says that 50% of mobile searches are from iPhone).
  
  So, we have a mobile device with CPU power, good human input (for a mobile device) and people that like to use it to access the Internet. But we can't use all the J2ME applications that are available for the other cell phones and Palms!
  
  My old Motorola cell phone have J2ME, and if iPhone can't have it will be a shame.
  
  As I remember, Java was created for mobile devices, so this question about Java on iPhone was answered years before iPhone: iPhone is the best mobile device today, so Java should be there.
  
  Don't waste your time asking, do the job and give me my Java on my iPhone!!!
  
  Well, if Apple don't want Java this will be a shame for iPhone, and not Java, since all the other smart phones will have Java, specially the smart phone that are "cloning" the iPhone.

• the iphone is the web again
  2008-06-10 09:03:34 ilazarte [Reply | View]
  
  they dont care what you use to develop, but focus on the browser; less on the clientside app.

• Its important!
  2008-06-09 22:20:29 vikasrao [Reply | View]
  
  For me, its very important for Java to be available on the iphone because as a programmer, I'd be able to write iphone apps using the language I love and am comfortable with.
  
  Vikas.
  vikasrao.wordpress.com

• Important to who?
  2008-06-09 06:11:59 aha42 [Reply | View]
  
  Important to who?
  
  Not important to end user unless it means that they are missing some stellar applications, and then they would never know...
  
  Not important to Apple.
  
  Important to Java fan boys and girls that fears that the iphone is gonna take over the phone market and so kill an area java somewhat have had a success.
  
  Yea, I voted 110% but I am pretty relaxed myself.

• who cares?
  2008-06-09 03:59:46 jwenting [Reply | View]
  
  Most iPhones users couldn't care less whether they have Java or not. In fact that's true for most users of any computing platform. As long as they can run the software they want they couldn't care less if it's written in Java or whatever, they don't even WANT to know let alone be reminded of it.

  And as iPhone sales are already declining, it's looking ever more like a hype that's going to sizzle a bit before sliding into the history books as another has-been or could-have-been. Apple's pricing and market placement (forcing specific telcos, limiting the capabilities to something most users don't want or care about) all but guarantees that.

  Both points indicate that any great deal of effort spent to create an iPhone JVM is likely to be pretty much wasted.

  Apple being able (and in fact, given their history, likely) to change their SDKs drastically for a next version doesn't make that any more appealing as it likely will mean an expensive effort to reengineer that JVM to work with that next-gen iPhone, an effort that will lead to some bad press for Java as customers find their applications that used to work on iPhone Mk.1 to not work on the Mk.2 and blaming Sun rather than Apple for that. Better if such Java applications (mind they won't care whether they're Java, just that "Java doesn't work any more") were never possible in the first place.

• who cares?
  2008-06-09 07:21:28 evickroy [Reply | View]
  
  We shall see. There seems to be almost weekly announcements of new carriers with iPhone offerings from countries all over the world. The U.S. sales may have slowed, but that seems to be due to the well known rumors that a new iPhone is coming.
• who cares?
  2008-06-09 23:58:57 jwenting [Reply | View]
  
  In those other countries though sales are low from the start... In part that's because of Apple's insistence of supporting only specific carriers and entering into binding contracts with them (which limits market penetration by design), in part because of the supported physical networks which make it less suitable in many countries (GPRS, UMTS, etc.). And then there's the cost of the device. I can get a Samsung i780 here for 10-20% less than what the iPhone is likely to be priced at, and in combination with the type of contract my network provider would offer me with that iPhone I'd probably get that i780 for half that again. And the i780 offers a lot more to most people than the iPhone does, so is better value for money even without the discounts network providers give on phones (and which their contract with Apple prevents them from giving to iPhone customers).

  There's the real reason for the iPod's lack of continuing success. The impending announcement of the Mk.2 in the US has little to do with it. All the Apple fanboyz (and girlz) already have them, and they're the main targes for the Mk.2 anyway. Most other potential customers don't really care as they want a phone that works and would just as soon buy an older model if it works and is cheaper.

  In the end I think Apple chose an incorrect business model when they tried to market the iPhone in the same way they marketed the iPod and iMac originally, as fashion icons for teenagers rather than serious tools. Apart from being a fashion icon the iPod is affordable as well as being best in breed, which makes it a logical choice for the masses. The iMac ran on a platform of "difference" which gave it some leeway in the mass market but mostly has to depend on users of other Apple systems buying into them as an upgrade. The iPhone has none of that. It doesn't offer anything cheaper phones on the market don't, is clumsy due to its size, and overly expensive. Once the hype wore off, it lost momentum and I don't think the new model is going to do more than cause a minor blip in sales volume (not counting, possibly, replacement sales to current Mk.1 customers).

• who cares?
  2008-06-10 08:59:56 evickroy [Reply | View]
  
  I disagree, but time will tell. I think we'll have a clearer picture by Christmas, though.

• focus on web
  2008-06-06 13:08:13 brunosm [Reply | View]
  
  In the IPHone the integration with the operativ sistem is a key. One virtual machine isolated from the rest of the sistem is useless...But well...lets hack...if you have free time to...