jms-spec
  1. jms-spec
  2. JMS_SPEC-21

Support for pre-acknowledge ack mode

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    • Type: New Feature New Feature
    • Status: Open
    • Priority: Major Major
    • Resolution: Unresolved
    • Affects Version/s: 1.1
    • Fix Version/s: None
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      Description

      Many messaging systems allow messages to be automatically acknowledged on the server before they are delivered to their consumers. This feature is useful for transient messaging use cases where it does not matter if some messages are lost on failure (e.g. stock pricing information).

      JMS does not currently provide an acknowledgment mode which supports pre-acknowledgment on the server, so there's extra (unnecessary) traffic due to acks having to be sent from client--server.

      In reality most JMS implementations provide pre-ack as an extension to the set of JMS ack modes. I would like to propose that pre-ack is added to the list of standard ack modes in JMS.

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        timlfox created issue -
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        Nigel Deakin added a comment -

        Can you give more information about what you mean by "pre-acknowledgment on the server"?

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        Nigel Deakin added a comment - Can you give more information about what you mean by "pre-acknowledgment on the server"?
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        timlfox added a comment -

        In JMS messages are not removed from the server, and are available for redelivery until they are acknowledge by the client. This occurs by the client either:

        a) Committing a transaction
        b) Explicitly acking CLIENT_ACKNOWLEDGE
        c) Acks being sent from the client when either DUPS_OK_ACKNOWLEDGE or AUTO_ACKNOWLEDGE is used

        In all above cases it requires traffic from the client to the server for the acks

        In many cases (e.g. transient messaging, stock prices), the messages are dispensable, it doesn't matter if a few are lost on event of failure. In such a case it makes sense for the server to automatically ack the message before delivery to the consumer.

        This can result in less traffic and less work to do on the client, also the server can get rid of the message immediately after delivery and does not have to retain it for possible future redelivery.

        This is already implemented by messaging systems including HornetQ and Weblogic JMS. Would be nice to have this in the JMS spec since it's such a common extension.

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        timlfox added a comment - In JMS messages are not removed from the server, and are available for redelivery until they are acknowledge by the client. This occurs by the client either: a) Committing a transaction b) Explicitly acking CLIENT_ACKNOWLEDGE c) Acks being sent from the client when either DUPS_OK_ACKNOWLEDGE or AUTO_ACKNOWLEDGE is used In all above cases it requires traffic from the client to the server for the acks In many cases (e.g. transient messaging, stock prices), the messages are dispensable, it doesn't matter if a few are lost on event of failure. In such a case it makes sense for the server to automatically ack the message before delivery to the consumer. This can result in less traffic and less work to do on the client, also the server can get rid of the message immediately after delivery and does not have to retain it for possible future redelivery. This is already implemented by messaging systems including HornetQ and Weblogic JMS. Would be nice to have this in the JMS spec since it's such a common extension.
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        timlfox added a comment - In weblogic this is called NO_ACKNOWLEDGE http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E13222_01/wls/docs81/javadocs/weblogic/jms/extensions/WLSession.html#NO_ACKNOWLEDGE In HornetQ it's called pre-acknowledge http://docs.jboss.org/hornetq/2.2.2.Final/user-manual/en/html/pre-acknowledge.html
        Nigel Deakin made changes -
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        Tags pd20-planned
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        Nigel Deakin added a comment -

        The fact that two vendors support this already makes this a good candidate for inclusion in JMS. I will formally raise this with the Expert Group for possible inclusion in the Public Draft. Setting appropriate tag.

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        Nigel Deakin added a comment - The fact that two vendors support this already makes this a good candidate for inclusion in JMS. I will formally raise this with the Expert Group for possible inclusion in the Public Draft. Setting appropriate tag.
        Nigel Deakin made changes -
        Tags pd20-planned
        Nigel Deakin made changes -
        Tags pd20-forreview
        Nigel Deakin made changes -
        Tags pd20-forreview pd20-forreview pd20-forreview-major
        Nigel Deakin made changes -
        Tags pd20-forreview pd20-forreview-major pd20-forreview-major

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