jsr348
  1. jsr348
  2. JSR348-86

Improve clarity of Member definition

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    • Type: Bug Bug
    • Status: Closed
    • Priority: Minor Minor
    • Resolution: Fixed
    • Component/s: Process Doc
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      Description

      The sentence about five individual Members is intended to prohibit any company or organization (whether a Member or not) from obtaining de facto representation via individual Members. That is, the rule is not limited to five individual Members who are Member Representatives.

      The rule could be made clearer by saying "as representatives for the same company or organization" rather than "a company or organization". (In case anyone reads "a" as "any".)

      One could argue that normative rules do not belong in Definitions. The five-Members rule doesn't have an obvious home in the Process doc (perhaps the JSPA?). The "Spec Lead" definition has a redundant rule as noted elsewhere. The definition of "Profile Specification" contains clauses that would be better in 2.1.3.

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          pcurran added a comment -

          Linking to http://java.net/jira/browse/JSR348-8 before closing that issue and consolidating the discussion here.

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          pcurran added a comment - Linking to http://java.net/jira/browse/JSR348-8 before closing that issue and consolidating the discussion here.
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          pcurran added a comment -

          I've created a summary document containing a mimimal set of changes that I propose to make. See http://java.net/downloads/jsr348/Working%20documents/Membership-AUG-31-2011.html.

          Note that on legal advice we will need to postpone any restrictions on individuals who wish to join the organization until JSR3, when we modify the JSPA. This means that we cannot implement the proposed restriction on the number of employees of non-member companies who may join as individuals.

          In an earlier comment Dan Sline suggested that we may want to clarify the following areas for each category of member.

          A. Total Number of Members (including rules for automatic inclusion)
          B. Total Number of named contacts (primary/secondary)
          C. Observer Rules
          D. Spec Lead Rules
          E. Expert Group Rules
          F. Executive Committee Rules
          G. Voting Rules

          A is off-llimits, as discussed above. In the document I deal with G and touch on E. B is not a matter for the Process Document (we don't even specify rules for this - nor should we, I believe - in the Standing Rules. I don't believe there are any implications for C since this isn't even a formally-defined term. The rules for Executive Committee membership are already clear, and I think we've already clarified the Spec Lead situation by judicious use of the term Member Representative.

          Please review the document and comment in this thread.

          Thanks...
          I've dealt with A and G,

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          pcurran added a comment - I've created a summary document containing a mimimal set of changes that I propose to make. See http://java.net/downloads/jsr348/Working%20documents/Membership-AUG-31-2011.html . Note that on legal advice we will need to postpone any restrictions on individuals who wish to join the organization until JSR3, when we modify the JSPA. This means that we cannot implement the proposed restriction on the number of employees of non-member companies who may join as individuals. In an earlier comment Dan Sline suggested that we may want to clarify the following areas for each category of member. A. Total Number of Members (including rules for automatic inclusion) B. Total Number of named contacts (primary/secondary) C. Observer Rules D. Spec Lead Rules E. Expert Group Rules F. Executive Committee Rules G. Voting Rules A is off-llimits, as discussed above. In the document I deal with G and touch on E. B is not a matter for the Process Document (we don't even specify rules for this - nor should we, I believe - in the Standing Rules. I don't believe there are any implications for C since this isn't even a formally-defined term. The rules for Executive Committee membership are already clear, and I think we've already clarified the Spec Lead situation by judicious use of the term Member Representative. Please review the document and comment in this thread. Thanks... I've dealt with A and G,
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          pcurran added a comment -

          New/changed definitions

          Agent: an individual - for example an employee, a contractor, or an officer - who is authorized to act on behalf of a company or organization.

          Java Community Process Member (Member): A company, organization, or individual that has signed the JSPA and is abiding by its terms.

          Member Representative: An Agent of a Member company or a Member organization who represents its interests within the JCP.

          Member Associate: An individual who is assoicated with a Member organization but is not an Agent of that organization.

          Lines 687-690

          Change:

          "All JCP Members are eligible to vote in ballots for Ratified and Elected Seats subject to the provision that if a Member has majority-ownership of, or is the employer of, one or more other Members, then that group of Members will collectively have 1 vote, which will be cast by the person they designate to be their representative for the ballot in question.

          To:

          "All JCP Members are eligible to vote in ballots for Ratified and Elected Seats subject to the provisions that if a Member has majority-ownership of one or more other Members, or if one or more Members are Agents of another Member, then that group of Members will collectively have one vote, which will be cast by the person they designate to be their representative for the ballot in question."

          Lines 715-716

          Change:

          "except that employees of JCP Members cannot run for Elected Seats as individuals"

          To:

          "except that Agents of JCP Members cannot run for Elected Seats as individuals"

          Lines 262-265

          Change (note that we've lost some text here - we intended to require that details of the nomination be published):

          "Any JCP Member or Member Representative can request to join an Expert Group at any time by submitting their nomination via the online form provided on the JSR Page. The nomination, together with the Spec Lead's official response, substantive deliberations within the EG about this matter, and any other official decision related to EG."

          To:

          "Any JCP Member, Member Representative, or Member Associate may request to join an Expert Group at any time by submitting their nomination via the online form provided on the JSR Page. Member Associates, since they are not covered by the JSPA of their organization, must sign the JSPA in their own right before they will be permitted to join an Expert Group. Details of such requests, together with the Spec Lead's official response, substantive deliberations within the EG about the matter, and any other official decisions related to EG membership must be published through the EG's public communication channel."

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          pcurran added a comment - New/changed definitions Agent: an individual - for example an employee, a contractor, or an officer - who is authorized to act on behalf of a company or organization. Java Community Process Member (Member): A company, organization, or individual that has signed the JSPA and is abiding by its terms. Member Representative: An Agent of a Member company or a Member organization who represents its interests within the JCP. Member Associate: An individual who is assoicated with a Member organization but is not an Agent of that organization. Lines 687-690 Change: "All JCP Members are eligible to vote in ballots for Ratified and Elected Seats subject to the provision that if a Member has majority-ownership of, or is the employer of, one or more other Members, then that group of Members will collectively have 1 vote, which will be cast by the person they designate to be their representative for the ballot in question. To: "All JCP Members are eligible to vote in ballots for Ratified and Elected Seats subject to the provisions that if a Member has majority-ownership of one or more other Members, or if one or more Members are Agents of another Member, then that group of Members will collectively have one vote, which will be cast by the person they designate to be their representative for the ballot in question." Lines 715-716 Change: "except that employees of JCP Members cannot run for Elected Seats as individuals" To: "except that Agents of JCP Members cannot run for Elected Seats as individuals" Lines 262-265 Change (note that we've lost some text here - we intended to require that details of the nomination be published): "Any JCP Member or Member Representative can request to join an Expert Group at any time by submitting their nomination via the online form provided on the JSR Page. The nomination, together with the Spec Lead's official response, substantive deliberations within the EG about this matter, and any other official decision related to EG." To: "Any JCP Member, Member Representative, or Member Associate may request to join an Expert Group at any time by submitting their nomination via the online form provided on the JSR Page. Member Associates, since they are not covered by the JSPA of their organization, must sign the JSPA in their own right before they will be permitted to join an Expert Group. Details of such requests, together with the Spec Lead's official response, substantive deliberations within the EG about the matter, and any other official decisions related to EG membership must be published through the EG's public communication channel."
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          eduardo added a comment -

          Latest modifications have been incorporated

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          eduardo added a comment - Latest modifications have been incorporated
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          pcurran added a comment -

          Closed, as agreed at the September 21 Working Group meeting.

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          pcurran added a comment - Closed, as agreed at the September 21 Working Group meeting.

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