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[Hudson-Dev] Re: Questions re governance and control

  • From: Jaanek Oja <jaanek@...>
  • To: dev@...
  • Subject: [Hudson-Dev] Re: Questions re governance and control
  • Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:03:10 +0200

Me too.

Jaanek

On 02/25/2011 09:26 AM, Richard Bywater wrote:
Well personally I'm enjoying this healthy debate. :)

Richard.

On Friday, February 25, 2011, Ted Farrell<ted.farrell@...>  wrote:






Charles, again I think we are way off topic here and covering
ground that has been covered.  It seems we disagree about who should be
consulted about changes and a couple of other points.  I would be happy to
discuss with you off-thread if you want, but I don't think we should continue 
to
spam people on this list with all of this.

     -ted



   From: Charles Rhys
   [mailto:chuck.rhys@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011
   3:13 AM
To: dev@...
Subject: [Hudson-Dev] Re:
   Questions re governance and control






   First of all, thanks for the detailed
   explanations.


   Winston was the co-owner of the Hudson project.
   Yet he was not involved in any of the decisions.  He also works in the
   same org as the people doing the java.net migration (not the people who 
sent
   the email however) so he could have coordinated the impact of the
   java.net migration and provided the information needed to make an
   educated decision.  He was not consulted at all.  No
   email.  No call.  No response to emails we sent asking
   what was going on.  Nothing.  There was also a lot of other
   things going on that raised our concerns around the motivations of all of
   this, but I really don't want to go deeper into that.  I would
   rather spend our efforts focused on the software and users.


This is also something that
   leaves a question mark for me.

Being someone who has been part of the
   Hudson community since 2008, in all honesty, I couldn't simply accept the 
fact
   that someone (Winston or not) could become a co-owner of a project without 
any
   credible history within the project.
You have to rise through the rank. I
   don't doubt that Winston is talented but his contribution to Hudson wasn't
   that much yet to warrant a real co-owner credibility.

I understand that
   perhaps you guys have talked it out and agreed on the co-owner positions, 
but
   to me as a member of the community, there's still much for Winston to 
proof.
   Yes, I've read his documentation contribution, thanks very much Winston :).
   But as a co-owner you need to proof it that you can carry the trust of the
   community.

Winston already
   started by making a mistake of using GitHub as canonical repo without
   consulting the community, he admitted it was a mistake. So far it's not a
   great start. Don't forget the other thread where he didn't agree with Jason
   Dillon's proposal about making hudson.model.Hudson final. I understand it
   could be an honest mistake, but by not responding to such simple email 
thread
   about an important decision, it could cause confusion about the decision
   making process. For a second, I thought Winston and Jason D ended up 
talking
   privately via IM or something.
Now, I'm willing to give Winston the benefit
   of the doubt, but so far not so good.


   I fully
   understand that Oracle acquired Sun, where Kohsuke was also paid to work on
   Hudson from May 2008 
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2008/05/29/ill-be-spending-more-time-hudson-going-forward,
   but let's not forget that Kohsuke's contribution to Hudson went beyond his
   work hours (check the commit log), and also let's not forget the fact that 
he
   started the project in 2004 and worked on it outside of work hours for 4
   years.
   The fact that Oracle
   acquired Sun really didn't mean that you're entitled to Hudson community. 
You
   _can't_ just install someone as a co-owner of an open source community with
   history longer than your involvement in the community
   itself.


   I'm sure you already
   know that the Hudson community is not a corporation that can be acquired, 
so
   installing a co-owner just like that doesn't sound like a great governance 
to
   me.





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