Please calm down a bit. I do not want to estimate or judge any of your statements, but I would like to encourage you both, to focus on this JSR. For me the question is, to what persons we should talk to come to clearer to a stetament what a SE specification really must contain and what not.
Perhaps this JSR also shows to by a hybrid one not only in case of targeting SE and optionally ME, but also regarding SE and extensions (possibly included in a EE part)…
Basically since it matches on all variants, it is a good hint, that SE is not so a bad target. Finally the core part can be fully implemented by the JDK as a starting point, e.g. by using BigDecimal for numeric values and util.Currency for currencies. If this is required, we have to move that code from the RI into the spec part, there is nothing easier than that. Or Oracle will provide its own implementation… Summarizing I do not see a problem, but we definitively have to start talking with some colluegues at Oracle when the renewal ballot is over.
And finally we still have an EDR before us, we are not yet required to have the final version ready then. I assume we could add such aspects as an appendix to our EDR publication, so we can also take feedback from the community on this topic.
Thank you very much and again: peace please!
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I meet with people from Oracle quite often or have conversations.
And the general understanding is, that "ideas and improvements from Oracle" were more a complete redesign.
You or the 2 other Spec Leads, Roger ultimately will also have to fix the issues, JDK Platform Architects like Brian Goetz, Mark Reinhold and others found, especially the "myriad of redundant getXXX() methods" just to name one of them.
We'll base parts of 354 that are targeted at Java SE (9) on the result of these improvements, regardless whether you or Roger (SCM logs mostly show traces of him though in OpenJDK, all you're visible on is that "org.threeten" backport, I don't really see a great point in, but the community may prove me wrong on that) actually commit to OpenJDK.
You are lucky 310 was started long before JCP.next regulations, as a vast majority of EC Members, not me alone would have declared it Dormant or requested Spec Lead change.
Well, Oracle handled that it's way by having Roger step in and do the work now
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne@...> wrote:
On 28 January 2013 13:33, Werner Keil <werner.keil@...> wrote:
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