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[jsr338-experts] Re: [jpa-spec users] Improving the TCK

  • From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@...>
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  • Subject: [jsr338-experts] Re: [jpa-spec users] Improving the TCK
  • Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:47:08 +0200

Ollie/all,

Thanks for your input. As we heard, some crucial part Java 8 has just died, so unless EE 8 was to skip 8 and build right onto 9, we're very likely to see a "less significant" or mostly "Maintainance" release of Java EE, too.

If you want to improve things that don't make it into EE7, there might be a good chance to do so in 8

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Oliver Gierke <ogierke@...> wrote:
Is there a chance we get official feedback in this regard? I don't care as much about the JPA 2.1 TCK as it's done. Still I'd like to help improving the upcoming version of the spec.

I think this is crucial as I have seen tickets in implementors bug trackers with comments that bugs won't be fixed if the TCK doesn't actually bark. This way, it's actually not the spec driving the features/bugs of the implementation but a TCK not even members of the expert group get access to. This effectively creates a shadow spec which is a sub-optimal thing to see I think.

Regards,
Ollie

Am 17.07.2012 um 20:36 schrieb Harald Wellmann:

> Am 17.07.2012 11:22, schrieb Oliver Gierke:
>>
>> Where can one get access to the standalone version of the JPA 2.0
>> TCK?
>>
>
> The TCK is still closed source, AFAIK.
>
> Over the past two years, I've found numerous spec-related bugs in all 3
> certified JPA 2.0 implementations (Eclipselink, Hibernate, OpenJPA) that
> should have been caught by the TCK.
>
> Some 18 months ago, when there was not even a public mailing list, I
> sent a request to the write-only list jsr-317-feedback@... to
> release the TCK to the public.
>
> There is also the sad story of a fourth persistence provider who has
> given up on certification after trying in vain to get access to the TCK:
>
> http://datanucleus.blogspot.de/2011/01/jpa-tck-request-and-jpa21.html
>
> It is good to see that the current JCP is more open than former
> versions, but of course a community process that really deserves the
> name would open source all TCKs for all JSRs, no exceptions.
>
>> 2. How can we actually help out to improve the TCK?
>
> Well, we can't as long as the TCK isn't open. That's the main point why
> it doesn't make sense to keep it closed.
>
> The CDI TCK has been Open Source from the very beginning, part of the
> same Java EE 6 umbrella release and governed by the same JCP.
>
> I really don't see why this shouldn't work for JPA just as well.
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Cheers, Ollie
>>
>> [0] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=322579 [1]
>> https://hibernate.onjira.com/browse/HHH-6896 [2]
>> http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=317
>>
>
>

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