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[jsr338-experts] Re: [jpa-spec users] Improving the TCK

  • From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@...>
  • To: jsr338-experts@...
  • Subject: [jsr338-experts] Re: [jpa-spec users] Improving the TCK
  • Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:29:50 +0200

OK, that makes more sense.

Thanks,
Werner

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Oliver Gierke <ogierke@...> wrote:
Sorry, Werner. I got it wrong in the first place. I meant the TCK for 2.0 is done, I'd like to see the 2.1 one be improved. That is where we can at least theoretically help out improving things.

Sorry for the confusion!

Am 18.07.2012 um 14:28 schrieb Werner Keil:

> I'm not talking about the EE7 TCK, are you? You said, JPA 2.1 TCK is done, so you're looking forward to 2.2 TCK which may (if the release train contains it) be part of EE8.
>
> EE8 is clearly be affected most by the Jigsaw disaster, many things the EE Umbrella EG and involved companies offering containers were hoping for are now delayed until at least EE9 if dependencies should be followed as they were so far.
>
> Thus there's at least an EE version where you may contribute improvements, if that's what you were talking about?
>
> No joke, it is actually a very sad situation<33D.gif>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Oliver Gierke <ogierke@...> wrote:
> Maybe it's me or I am not getting the joke :). How does Jigsaw not making into Java 8 relate to the general availability to get access to a specs TCK?
>
> Am 18.07.2012 um 11:47 schrieb Werner Keil:
>
> > Ollie/all,
> >
> > Thanks for your input. As we heard, some crucial part Java 8 has just died, so unless EE 8 was to skip 8 and build right onto 9, we're very likely to see a "less significant" or mostly "Maintainance" release of Java EE, too.
> >
> > If you want to improve things that don't make it into EE7, there might be a good chance to do so in 8<347.gif>
> >
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> >
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Oliver Gierke <ogierke@...> wrote:
> > Is there a chance we get official feedback in this regard? I don't care as much about the JPA 2.1 TCK as it's done. Still I'd like to help improving the upcoming version of the spec.
> >
> > I think this is crucial as I have seen tickets in implementors bug trackers with comments that bugs won't be fixed if the TCK doesn't actually bark. This way, it's actually not the spec driving the features/bugs of the implementation but a TCK not even members of the expert group get access to. This effectively creates a shadow spec which is a sub-optimal thing to see I think.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ollie
> >
> > Am 17.07.2012 um 20:36 schrieb Harald Wellmann:
> >
> > > Am 17.07.2012 11:22, schrieb Oliver Gierke:
> > >>
> > >> Where can one get access to the standalone version of the JPA 2.0
> > >> TCK?
> > >>
> > >
> > > The TCK is still closed source, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > Over the past two years, I've found numerous spec-related bugs in all 3
> > > certified JPA 2.0 implementations (Eclipselink, Hibernate, OpenJPA) that
> > > should have been caught by the TCK.
> > >
> > > Some 18 months ago, when there was not even a public mailing list, I
> > > sent a request to the write-only list jsr-317-feedback@... to
> > > release the TCK to the public.
> > >
> > > There is also the sad story of a fourth persistence provider who has
> > > given up on certification after trying in vain to get access to the TCK:
> > >
> > > http://datanucleus.blogspot.de/2011/01/jpa-tck-request-and-jpa21.html
> > >
> > > It is good to see that the current JCP is more open than former
> > > versions, but of course a community process that really deserves the
> > > name would open source all TCKs for all JSRs, no exceptions.
> > >
> > >> 2. How can we actually help out to improve the TCK?
> > >
> > > Well, we can't as long as the TCK isn't open. That's the main point why
> > > it doesn't make sense to keep it closed.
> > >
> > > The CDI TCK has been Open Source from the very beginning, part of the
> > > same Java EE 6 umbrella release and governed by the same JCP.
> > >
> > > I really don't see why this shouldn't work for JPA just as well.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Harald
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Cheers, Ollie
> > >>
> > >> [0] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=322579 [1]
> > >> https://hibernate.onjira.com/browse/HHH-6896 [2]
> > >> http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=317
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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