On 3/13/2013 11:04 AM, Scott Marlow wrote:
Are others responding privately perhaps? :)
No. I wish they were responding in *any* manner!
At a minimum, I would like to state that the JTA transaction could be
rolled back from an external thread in the
As you point out, the JTA spec already allows this, so if that is all we
were to do, I'm not sure I
see the point. In case I am being dense though, can you tell me what
words you would like to see added to
To me, the real issue seems to be whether we can/should provide any
guidance as to how to handle such
situations. I'd like to get the benefit of hearing from the vendors
here as to what their implementations
The current wording is:
7.9.1 Container Responsibilities
* After the JTA transaction has completed (either by transaction
commit or rollback), the container closes the entity
manager calling EntityManager.close.
7.9.2 Provider Responsibilities
* When the JTA transaction rolls back, the provider must detach all
managed entities if the persistence context is of
type SynchronizationType.SYNCHRONIZED or has otherwise been joined to
On 03/08/2013 08:31 PM, Linda DeMichiel wrote:
On 3/7/2013 4:48 PM, Scott Marlow wrote:
On 03/07/2013 05:41 PM, Linda DeMichiel wrote:
On 3/6/2013 2:16 PM, Scott Marlow wrote:
 requires that at Transaction completion, the container closes (or
returns to cache), the transaction-scoped
persistence context. What is supposed to happen when the JTA
transaction completes in a different thread than the
application thread? For example, if a background thread calls the
Synchronization.afterCompletion() because the tx
timeout period has been exceeded (as some Transaction Managers may
do), its not exactly thread-safe to call
EntityManager.close() (see ). Specifically, the application could
be in the middle of a persist or some other
EntityManager method, when EntityManager.close() is called.
The team here tells me that this should not be happening, and that the
transaction managers they are
familiar with will just mark the transaction for rollback rather than
rolling it back at the point
Currently, we roll the transaction back from the background timer
thread. The JTA spec  does allow different threads
to start/end the transaction.
Yes, I realize this is permitted.
Nevertheless, if the container were working with a TM where a timeout
did result in immediate
rollback and invocation of afterCompletion, the container should note
this, and at the point at
which the transaction would normally be completed then do the actual
close as it normally would.
Should we include a form of the above text in the JPA 2.1 spec
(section 7.9.1 )?
Unfortunately, I don't think this may always work, because the
container may be relying on synchronization notifications at the
normally expected tx end to know when it should be calling close
(i.e., it may not know when the tx was started). If EJB CMT were
used, the container would know when a tx was started and could use a
business method boundary as the interpositioning point. If a
container wrapped UserTransaction, I suppose it could use that point
as well, but it is not obvious to me how this would be handled
How does your implementation handle this?
I'd also like to hear from the other implementations here as to
what they do and how their transaction manager implementations
How would we word what the provider side has to do when detaching
entities after rollback ? I'm not sure that the
persistence provider will have the same chance to make a note for the
container side to take action on (if there is an
EE container involved). There is also the expectation that any JPA
provider will work, with any EE container to consider.
What do your transaction manager and container do?
Related to the above, if a JTA transaction rollback occurs in a
background thread , how are the managed entities
expected to be detached without violating the EntityManager
There may be vendor specific solutions but shouldn't we (JPA spec eg)
account for the interaction of thread-unsafe
persistence contexts and the JTA Synchronization.afterCompletion that
may be invoked in non-application (background)
 7.9.1 Container Responsibilities - After the JTA transaction has
completed (either by transaction commit or
rollback), the container closes the entity manager calling
 7.2 Obtaining an EntityManager - An entity manager must not be
shared among multiple concurrently executing threads,
as the entity manager and persistence context are not required to be
threadsafe. Entity managers must only be accessed
in a single-threaded manner.
 7.9.2 Provider Responsibilities - When the JTA transaction rolls
back, the provider must detach all managed entities
if the persistence context is of type
or has otherwise been joined to the transaction.
 JTA 1.1 spec 3.4.3 Thread of Control:
The X/Open XA interface specifies that the transaction association
related xa calls must be invoked from the same thread
context. This thread-of-control requirement is not applicable to the
object-oriented component-based application
run-time environment, in which application threads are dispatched
dynamically at method invocation time. Different Java
threads may be using the same connection resource to access the
resource manager if the connection spans multiple method
invocation. Depending on the implementation of the application server,
different Java threads may be involved with the
same XAResource object. The resource context and the transaction
context may be operated independent of thread context.
This means, for example, that it’s possible for different threads to
be invoking the XAResource.start and XAResource.end
If the application server allows multiple threads to use a single
XAResource object and the associated connection to the
resource manager, it is the responsibility of the application server
to ensure that there is only one transaction
context associated with the resource at any point of time.
Thus the XAResource interface specified in this document requires that
the resource managers be able to support the
two-phase commit protocol from any thread context.
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