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[JSR 358 Observer] [JSR358 EG] Re: Fw: Re: Re: Minutes from today's IP Working Group meeting

  • From: Werner Keil < >
  • To: JSR 358 Expert Group < >
  • Cc: calinel pasteanu < >,
  • Subject: [JSR 358 Observer] [JSR358 EG] Re: Fw: Re: Re: Minutes from today's IP Working Group meeting
  • Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:06:52 +0100
  • List-id: <experts.jsr358.java.net>

No confusion, they referred to MSA 1 (JSR 248) already

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> Datum: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:54:48 +0100
> Betreff: [JSR358 EG] Re: Fw: Re: [JSR 358 Observer] Re: Minutes from today\'s IP Working Group meeting

> On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Werner Keil wrote:
> > Calinel,
> >
> > Thanks for the quick response. MSA was called defunct several times  
> > most regular in the EC, I am not the “factory” for these statements,
>  
> > just remembering them<wlEmoticon-winkingsmile[1].png>
> you might confuse it with 249 ....
> 248 was finalized, deployed and even in maintenance 2 years later  
> ( see jcp.org )
> > Would be curious to learn, which handset, e.g. by Nokia ever really  
> > used it?
> one of the alternatives to get info would be this one :
> > Mobile Sensor API, at least an “Optional JSR” for MSA btw. has never
>  
> > really made it into any of the phones.
> > Had to seperately install it with a setup by Nokia, which even  
> > states “This is experimental, not Production ready, use at your own  
> > risk”<wlEmoticon-surprisedsmile[1].png>
> >
> > Of course, Kay wasn’t the only one for Vodafone, but you should  
> > know, he was a contractor, unless he didn’t tell it until later when  
> > we met on other occasions.
> yes, everybody knew it, but this is irrelevant as he was identical  
> with a regular VF employee at that time and from the JCP pov
> > We see many cases, where people who represent a company before, that  
> > (Vodafone probably isn’t interested at all or still member?) later  
> > join as Individuals. That may not be so in Kay’s case, but imagine  
> > someone who was in a similar position and joined as Individual  
> > Member after that, you probably get the point.  The only notable  
> > case of a Spec Lead who joined as Individual, while actually being  
> > employed by a non-member AFAIK may be Bob Lee, but JSR 330 is  
> > finished and no follow-up work looks like it’s lead by him any time  
> > soon.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > From: calinel pasteanu
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:17 PM
> > Subject: [JSR358 EG] Re: Fw: Re: [JSR 358 Observer] Re: Minutes from  
> > today's IP Working Group meeting
> >
> > Werner,
> > you seem to own a "factory" to create confusions, see inline.
> > Calinel
> >
> > On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Werner Keil wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> One thing Calinel probably wasn't aware of, but occured at least  
> >> for MSA, is, that one of the Spec Leads for Vodafone, Kay Glahn was  
> >> in fact an external consultant, pretty much like an Individual  
> >> acting on behalf of Vodafone in these JSRs and the EC for some time.
> >>
> >
> > Kay Glahn "was not acting pretty much like an individual" he was  
> > working behind the Vodafone signed JSPA and there were several  
> > Vodafone representatives for 248 not only Kay.
> >
> >> Constellations like these look interesting and could be relevant  
> >> for the Individual Member discussion Bruno plans
> >>
> >> Am 27.01.2013 20:23 schrieb "Werner Keil" < "> >:
> >> Besides, while it is good to know, some Umbrella JSRs were lead by  
> >> other members than Sun/Oracle in the past, hearing MSA (248) which  
> >> was defunct and never resulted in actual products
> >>
> > based on the finalized 248 there were several products based on the  
> > RFIs created by MNOs
> >> or devices using it, with its successor (249) being Dormant doesn't  
> >> make me feel very comfortable...
> >>
> >> Am 26.01.2013 02:06 schrieb "Werner Keil" < "> >:
> >
> >



[JSR 358 Observer] [JSR358 EG] Re: Fw: Re: Re: Minutes from today's IP Working Group meeting

Werner Keil 01/28/2013

[JSR 358 Observer] [JSR358 EG] Re: Fw: Re: Re: Minutes from today's IP Working Group meeting

Werner Keil 01/28/2013
 
 
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